Moyes-Doctrine: Man City's destabilising media tactics should be answered with Everton signings

Moyes has messed up big time by taking and sticking with the 'not for sale ever' stance. He should have stuck to 22 million as a price and accepted no less. He now has an unhappy player in an unhappy dressing room. As for the not-ready bull- who's job was it to get them ready?

Sorry about the articles my son writes. He's mildly retarded and knows no better.

Apolgies for Mark.

He's a bahhhhhhhhh-d tool.

naughty naughty liddle city...how dare we try and sign a top english defender...we are the scum of the entire prem, tis official, we upset everton and the gargoyl and i can vouch for every city fan when i say we are ashamed!

not only did Hughes go to evertons chairman/moneyman to ask about the transfer, then have the cheek to point out that it was Everton who released the story (sky sources can come from evertons side also), but we forgot to kiss david moyes feet in doing so...

Sorry everton fans, we shall reside back to our small ground, with our small club (compared to the mighty evertons) with our small 'nobody' players.

To Moyes we bow down!

Nice to see the usual class Manc cyber-mongs.

You and your morally defunct manager should crawl back into that gutter you slithered out of.

Money really can't buy you class.

If Everton directors read this article it will only go to prove what a complete moron you and Moyes are, if you can wait a little while longer we can let you have some more of our cast off`s.
Good Night Beryl

Agree completely with you Pedro. This article is bitter as hell! Lescott should have been sold for 20million before the season started. Would any Everton fan be happy if we paid over twelve million for this type of player. Time to get real. If City want to pay so much over the odds for player like Lescott then Moyes is an idiot to say no! Moyes has been great for the club but seems to be engineering himself into a position where he can escape.

Cyber-Mancs and Kopites pretending to be Evertonians...

Just say NO. (We did) but like Arab-oil fueled junkies you just don't seem to get it.

We need to stop making a mountain out of a molehill. Just let them have the player, they've offered a very good price, much more than he's worth. If he wants to move on then let him. We can't accuse City of 'lacking class' whilst we're resorting to such pettiness just because a player would like to move on. There's a foodchain, they've jumped up it a bit, they can take our better players like the top four can take theirs, nothing to worry about.

I fear that Moyes' position is close to becoming untenable. If we sell now he'll look like he's been undermined by the board. He's done a great job, but we have few choices, City have snookered us. I don't particularly agree with it but still. We either keep an unhappy player and the spirit within the club deteriorates, or we sell and look like mugs.

so accordingly david moyes has managed to cower himself into a corner? this a matter of principles manchester city and mark hughes just do not say no to an answer its ridiculous the cheek of mark hughes himself is beyond me. as moyes said quoted " he will not leave end of" mark hughes acts as tho the deal is in full swing. manchester city are in serious trouble about losing there identity i mean going ahead and spending millions on players, the fact that last season as well man city finished 10th is a joke, to me it doesnt matter if u spend 600mill on players, if the team dont stick well together and work well then it wont work. moyes has said no and is being backed up by a number of people end of. EVERTON 1878.

COYBB

"seeming to not understand that NO means NO"!
There is no such word as 'NO' in football, only 'Not Enough'. Players are pursued by buying clubs only if the player expresses an interest in moving. John Terry was pursued until he broke his silence and declared that he wanted to stay at Chelsea. once he made that declaration, the pursuit ceased.
Joleon Lescott wants to move, the only sticking point is the level of compensation, (for that is what a transfer fee is), to be paid to Everton. Mark Hughes, in my opinion, has behaved honourably throughout this whole affair. He expressed an interest in signing the player and handed the negotiations over to the chairman. The chairman signs players, not the manager. The chairman negotiates with his opposite number, not David Moyes. David Moyes is peeved because he doesn't have the power he thinks he has.

There is one glaring fact omitted from this self pitying rant which seem's common to Everton fan's.
It lash's out at another club with the brazen cheek to attempt to buy a player during a transfer window.Maybe the rules differ on Merseyside but in the real world we offer a price and you refuse but we can still keep bidding without all the wailing and breastbeating that you all indulge in led by the I am a victim Gollum.
Oh the basic fact forgotten by the article, about players coming in........ You are flat broke,Gollum has checked down the back of the sofa and Kenwrights for coin, nothing.
So save your self important pompous indignation, look hard in the mirror and accept what you really are, an overachieving club without the resources to go any further or even plan to build a B and Q shed in Kirby.

Mark Hughes is a classless, arrogant coward with no spine. Trying to go over Moyes's head - utter lack of respect. Not only does he ooze bulls**t but the sad thing is that he is as deluded as you cyber-scum who think that SH**Y city are a "big club" - dont make me laugh!!! on what grounds? you are by no means minnows, but you are not and NEVER will be Everton. The fact that we handle our business and conduct ourselves in the right mannor speaks volumes - you act like a a group of filth-ridden chavs who have just won the lottery with your oil money. reality check - YOU ARE NOT A BIG CLUB!! and dispite yesterday's defeat aginst Arsenal we will finish abov you lot of deranged jokes. "Big club" hahahh stuill makes me chuckle that 1

the few....and i mean few people who wanted Jo back after the bolton game was more than likely said in jest. because he is truly awful, the reason we have loaned him to you is to see if he will get any better, if he starts performing for you...we can just take him back.

we have taken cast offs from you....in the past, but times have changed, for us, its about the future.

We don't need any of those named players thats the point. Its not about spending a trillion pounds on a player - its about finding the rough diamonds and making them gems. With those gems we will always be better than you.

And times may have changed, but your still the cheap nasty fickle fake disgusting club you've always been.

The only difference is now you shout about it like it's a good thing...

I'd put any £25million team against your £100milllion team any day of the week.

Because we have something you don't. We're Evertonians. Born not manufactured.

haha...."And the situation will change dramatically when Everton enter the transfer market over the next two weeks..."

i actually thought moyes was a good manager...but considering the team wernt ready for the first game and him trying to do transfer buisness in the last two weeks is slightly inept....even for everton!

you do realise the windows been open since july 1st right?!

He's had a no from Moyes, not the board. The player wants to leave and we believe a deal can be done. It's obvious that a manager wants his best players to stay but ultimately, he's not the man who makes the books balance, he's the man who gets the best out of the resources he is given.

Do you not understand how a business works...?

Seriously, you want to trust your wife, kids and home to me? Well thank you, my precious.

You go on about City having no dignity and class and yet you show none of them attributes yourself in either your articles or your comments. You will not listen to any other opinion or even consider that one word you say is wrong. You should take a look at yourself before passing judgement on others Mr. Reid.

There are some City fans, myself included, who don't want Lescott. His positional sense is poor, he regularly is on the wrong side of an attacker and I lost count the number of times he played an attacker onside as the last defender last year.

And for the record, I like Everton. Have always said that you lot are some of the most knowledgeable fans in the Premier League. I thought the applauding of Lescott at the Malaga game was first class.

Moyes made a tactical error when he announced that Lescott had put in a transfer request. If you want to keep the player why do that? Only turns the fans against the player and guarantees that he leaves.

Honestly I don't know at this point who said what first. Chelsea certainly made public the John Terry bid before any comments from City. With Lescott I don't remember the sequence.

Personally I don't understand why clubs just don't tell the media to sod off. "We don't comment on speculation made by the media or other clubs. When we decide to buy or sell a player we will hold a press conference otherwise 'no comment' is all you will hear so go away." End of story.

Really, I think there's enough goofiness to go around in this entire matter for Hughes, Moyes and Lescott. Don't think any of them have shown themselves in their best light.

what a deluded report by complete badly informed cretin. just ging to make two points..... sky reported our bids after everton released the info through there website....and everton have enjoyed there best times in the prem, from here its downhill, you have no money, a poor stadium and average players so i wouldnt waste poor joleon lescotts career by forcing him to stay at an average club..

This page is riddled with Classless City Mancers who all seem to be hell bent on kicking a club for its strong stance on won’t be bullied into selling a top young England player on a 4 year contract.
Move on you Ninja Mancers!!!!!!!!!

Check the BBC Sport website unless you Mancs want to call the BBC deluded as well DavidB Manc?

The facts are straight. Unfortunately you and your club and you manager aren't.

And your tactics will not work.

I have given our Mark his tablets and sent him to bed with a nice cup of cocoa.
it was bad enough when that horrid Rooney boy left and now you are all being horrible to my little soldier. I am going to stop him watching football if you dont behave yourselves.

Mark,

My third time of posting, so I'm hoping it's a lucky one that gets through...

I'm a City fan Mark, and I understand your frustration with this transfer saga - don't forget, we had all this with SWP and his Chelsea move. Some "fans" have short memories and their comments can embarrass the very club they claim to support. That said, you need to chill out with your derogatory comments yourself - we're not a bad bunch really (a few nut cases aside), and in the grand scheme we're really quite similar. OK, OK, maybe the last 20 - 25 yrs have been more successful for Everton than City, but doesn't that make the two Clubs similar in their long term history? Look, I'm sur you could now rattle off a list of City vs Everton silverware from 1895 - 1948, but what does that prove? The fact is, both clubs have a large and loyal fan base and a proud history.

We're not "disgusting" or "oil fueled junkies", we're not "stupid". City (just like Everton) are a great club. I'm neither niaive or narrow minded enough to think that my club is better than yours just because its the one I was brought up (not "manufactured" btw) to support. So keep on supporting Everton, and good luck for the future - just go easy on my club along the way, as we're not all "cyber idiots" you know?

Cheers,

Jensen

Mark, you have gone OTT and it doesn't help you a jot. The Transfer Window is a market place and whether we like it or not, every player has a price. Everton have said no to £15mil and £18mil and ManCity have indicated that they'll make another offer; so what? Until Les put in a written transfer request I'd was confident that he would stay at Goodison but now it makes no sense to refuse him his request. A players contract is a negotiable instrument, it has a price, and £22mil twice what he's worth if we are all honest. The players wishes DO count for something, they count for alot actually. Cattermole was allowed to leave Wigan and they were desperate to keep him but acted sensibly. Ronaldo was allowed to leave for RM although MU will struggle without him and he DID NOT put in a transfer request please note. I fear that David Moyes has overplayed his hand and left his Board a nasty dilemma. If Ferguson retired today and the Glazers offered Old Trafford to Moyes at 3x the salary and a £80mil transfer budget, would he say "No I can't do that, I'm contracted to Everton, it would be disgusting" or would he do what Rooney did and any sane career minded employee would do? Just get off your elevated nag Mark, this nonsense is giving the red half a laugh.

Alph

Did Everton 'lack class' when they approached a smaller clubs like Wolves Sheff Utd and Milwall for Jagielka, lecott and Cahill, did they 'ruin football'? Of course not.

All this smacks of jealousy from EFC fans, and to be fair I thought better of you than that. I don't know why ADUG chose city to invest their billions but why do you begrudge us trying to better ourselves? No one can question the loyalty of our fans, we averaged nealy 30k in the 3rd tier of english football a little over 9 years ago. I can honestly say if it was EFC not us who had come into this money or any other club I'd be happy to see another team breaking the SKY 4 monopoly....but you seem unable to do this....is this the reason who any scouser who makes any money moves away? I think we should be told.

Let's not be too hard on Mark Hughes.
He's only trying to build a great football team like every other club.

What's the harm in him making an offer.
Just because DM doesn't like the last offer it doesn't necessarily mean he'll not like the next offer.

In the end we all know that JL will end up at Man City, so why does DM seem so determined to put himself through the grinder. He's going to have a stress breakdown soon if he doesn't chill out.
He ought to just sell he [layer and forget about it and then get on with his job.

This whole thing really is quite ridiculous and Mark you are hugely embarrassing your fellow Blues.

Moyes is refusing to sell not for a football or business decision but to make himself look good. Everything about you lot now is how it makes Moyes look. He is becoming more a meglomaniac everyday.

Your 6-1 battering to a side now as good as you made them look is the result of your manager acting above his means.

His insecurities from Rafa claim you are a Small Club (even though he actually called you a smaller club)...which is true has given him the belief that if he sells Lescott it makes Everton look like a small club and a selling club but its not. The 2 biggest Clubs in this country United and Liverpool have sold there better players this summer because the players wanted to leave. Both managers, who are hugely successful and experienced knew it was in the clubs interests to sell for a price that was best for the clubs.

Take the money and run Moyes and Reidy you could make yourselves stronger for it. The only problem you have is that again Moyes has shown himself inept at managing the modern day transfer market.

He is trying to take the moral high ground and wants everybody to like and admire him, managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez, Redknapp and now Hughes dont give a toss about anyone else as long as they are doing the best for their club and their fans. Moyes wants to be liked by everybody elses fans as well as your own.

In Moyes all Liverpool Fans Trust!

And your slurs Lennon against David Moyes being "a megalomanic" are as ridiculous as Rafa's rants or his claims about small clubs or so called parking the team bus.

Really Lennon. Being a typical Kopite you cannot help but push your nose in.

Great win at the weekend. Would have thought "title contenders" like you would be keeping your head down?

Your year is it?

You never learn.

Keep Rafa In Our City. He's fantastic for Evertonians....

The fellas a crank he has slurred the name of United, Liverpool, Spurs and Harry Redknapp, Sheff Utd and now you (City) the fella is an obsessive child who screeches if anyone so much as looks at his beloved toffees.

What you should of done was produced an article into the reasons why with less than 2 weeks till the end of the transfer window your manager has again been inept as making any signings and why you suffered a embarrassing 6-1 defeat at home instead of moaning (undignifyingly I might add) over horrible clubs being nasty and bullying your clearly small club.

its not how big your trophy cabinet is these days its the size of your wallet, thats why Barry went to them not us.

Good luk to them i say, those fans deserve a break!

This website is brilliant. Any time I want a laugh, all I have to is come in to this, or any other thread by Mark Reid and just watch his ridiculous arguments get systematically destroyed by anyone with half a brain cell. Yet he still keeps coming back for more. What even more hilarious (or sad) is that I actually think that Mark says these things so often to himself and on the web that he actually believes what he's saying!

Mark, take a breath and realise what you're saying!

It is widely recognised and agreed that Everton put our bid in the public domain, yet you think that there is some sort of conspiracy that we leaked the story to the media.

You think that Hughes is a disgusting man, yet he only commented on the situation once Everton had released the info and he made the quite blatantly obvious assertion that in order to do a deal on a player, other than having the players agreement, you must have the owner agreeing on the price. Quite frankly what Moyes has to do with t is irrelevant. Of course he doesn't want to sell one of his better players.

Then you make hilarious statements like 'you've messed with the wrong club' What exactly is it that Everton are going to do to City that will make them regret it? Other than possibly reduce the alloy wheel count in Manchester...?

How old are you out of interest? The fact that I mocked you for your first use of the phrase 'indeterminate terminological inexactitudes (untruths)' I thought would have showed you that we're not impressed by the fact that you can use a dictionary. The fact that you have to use this collection of words for a second time and then with 'untruths' in brackets (good one) shows how much of a moron you are. Why use more words than are needed Mark. Do you have an inferiority complex?

Mark, not that you've every had a promotion as you'd probably have to be employed for that one, but just because you move to a club where you think you have better prospects and do have a better salary, it does not mean that your soul suddenly becomes lifeless void.

Anyway, my fellow blues and Evertonian friends. Let us not let this one deluded, moronic fool spoil the relations between our two great clubs. I have a very healthy respect for Everton, their history and all they have achieved. Yes we've got money (and by god we deserve it) but I'm sure your time will come. I wish you all the luck this season, provided that you finish below us.

Mark, grow up and write some articles that concentrate more on what your team is doing and what your manager is going to do to improve your lot, you may even find yourself having some Everton fans that actually agree with you. All you have now is a reputation for being a childish, deluded conspiracy theorist. And I've seen pictures of those conspiracy theorist guys and it ain't pretty!

Hello Mark,

Me again. I'm saddened to read your comments as you've picked out the negatives from every post and have not thought to make reference to the positive. I understand that Everton are your club, and when they're subject to criticism you'll go on the defensive. It's a natural response. What you should also recognise - if you are to comment sensibly and encourage reasonable debate (surely the whole point of any forum with a "leave a comment" option?) - is that websites such as these are populated by fans from lots of clubs. I didn't find this site because I'm a "Manc cyber-mong" (whatever that is), I found it because I'm a passionate City fan - and ST Holder - who likes to keep up with news from my club. I "found" your site via a link from the Man City page on newsnow.co.uk, the link for which must have been provided by the host/webmaster for your site! I read it and was interested enough to comment on it....don't criticise people for commenting or hurl derogatory comments at them! Simply ask your host/web designer to remove the comments link on your blog or make it members only. Failing that, learn to respect other peoples right to comment, ignore the idiots (rise above) and enjoy some "banter"....the clue's in the title of your website!

Once again, good luck for the season and beyond.

All the best,

Jensen.

Hello Mark,

Me again. I'm saddened to read your comments as you've picked out the negatives from every post and have not thought to make reference to the positive. I understand that Everton are your club, and when they're subject to criticism you'll go on the defensive. It's a natural response. What you should also recognise - if you are to comment sensibly and encourage reasonable debate (surely the whole point of any forum with a "leave a comment" option?) - is that websites such as these are populated by fans from lots of clubs. I didn't find this site because I'm a "Manc cyber-mong" (whatever that is), I found it because I'm a passionate City fan - and ST Holder - who likes to keep up with news from my club. I "found" your site via a link from the Man City page on newsnow.co.uk, the link for which must have been provided by the host/webmaster for your site! I read it and was interested enough to comment on it....don't criticise people for commenting or hurl derogatory comments at them! Simply ask your host/web designer to remove the comments link on your blog or make it members only. Failing that, learn to respect other peoples right to comment, ignore the idiots (rise above) and enjoy some "banter"....the clue's in the title of your website!

Once again, good luck for the season and beyond.

All the best,

Jensen.

Mark, please provide me with evidence that Manchester City provided Sky Sports with the information of our bid prior to Everton releasing the statement on their website. I would be very interested to see this.

'like the children and undignified and classless so called fans you are'

I think that's rather petty coming from you. City have great fans. In our dark times, we dragged in an average of over 29,000 fans in the third tier of English football. So-called fans...? I think not. As for 'classless and children', well that's just very sad and pathetic name calling, not 'banter'. Children name-call Mark.

As Jensen points out above. If you don't have a sense of humour, don't call your website Everton Banter and if you don't want debate with other fans, then don't have links to other football clubs on Newsnow.
It's all right having a rant every now and then, but if your passion is so blind that you can not take on other people's opinions and points of view, then there is no point talking to anyone other than yourself or a brick wall.

Hello Mark,

Me again. I'm saddened to read your comments as you've picked out the negatives from every post and have not thought to make reference to the positive. I understand that Everton are your club, and when they're subject to criticism you'll go on the defensive. It's a natural response. What you should also recognise - if you are to comment sensibly and encourage reasonable debate (surely the whole point of any forum with a "leave a comment" option?) - is that websites such as these are populated by fans from lots of clubs. I didn't find this site because I'm a "Manc cyber-mong" (whatever that is), I found it because I'm a passionate City fan - and ST Holder - who likes to keep up with news from my club. I "found" your site via a link from the Man City page on newsnow.co.uk, the link for which must have been provided by the host/webmaster for your site! I read it and was interested enough to comment on it....don't criticise people for commenting or hurl derogatory comments at them! Simply ask your host/web designer to remove the comments link on your blog or make it members only. Failing that, learn to respect other peoples right to comment, ignore the idiots (rise above) and enjoy some "banter"....the clue's in the title of your website!

Once again, good luck for the season and beyond.

All the best,

Jensen.

Mark Reid is in fact David Moyes and I claim my £5.

what an absolute wast of time this site is and what a complete dil M reod is. 4th posting. He will probably put this one up.

One of my favourite threads ever this, top quality Mark, keep it up. Haven't laughed so much in ages.

You're just like Moyes, backed yourself into a corner...

I refer to this little gem from you Mark:
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Mark Reid said:
Truth hurts does it Alphie?
Funny how you feel the need to come on an EVERTON website?
Truth hurts when you have no dignity or class.
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You really are a silly boy Mark, how old are you? 12/13 maybe?
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Actually you came into my life by prostituting your blog for headlines on Mancity 'Newsnow' links.
I've never sought out an Everton website in my life! The fact that I actually rather like the Toffees as a club and two of my daughters and a son in law are Toffee supporters might have something to do with me bothering to open it. Then I find your childish comments! You really are not worth my time and effort.
Bye Bye sonny.
........
Alphie Izzet

Mark,

Careful you don't fall out of your pram trying to find your dummy.

Reid listens to nobody, his view is the only one that counts, when he speaks everyone has to listen, he is never wrong, everything not associated with Everton FC is disgusting and nobody's opinion matters.

The fella is a walking comedy show and long may he continue to blog.

When we all hit the wall with a few hours of the working day to go Mark Reid's one man comedy show will help you through to 5pm!

In reality he is bitter because he supports a club in the shadow of the most successful club in English Football Liverpool FC.

Hello again Mark,

Although this comments list has descended into chaos, I'd like - if I may - to ask you to read back through your comments, and also the comments of others. Imagine that you were a comlete stranger to all things "footy", and that you'd never heard of Mark Reid, Jensen, Rafa, Alphie or any other poster. Read it and imagine that the debate concerns politics, art or any other subject apart from Football. Read the posts back and ask yourself "who's posts are reasonable?" "who's posts are accusatory and biased?" and most of all "am I a little embarrassed when I read back my own posts?" I'd suggest you're so wound up about this particular subject that you're unable to engage in reasonable debate. I say this because (again, only in my humble opinion) you have at no point acknowledged any logical or reasonable comment. While I appreciate that most of this column is pretty dire, there are comments worth responding to, but you haven't grasped the whole "debate" idea. Once again, I wish Everton no harm - I have relatives who support your club just like Alphie. I could happily sit down in a crowded room with a random selection of old and young, male and female, and read my posts on this thread out loud without shame or embarrassment. Could you?

Kind Regards,

Jensen

Hello, my name is Mark Reid and when I've been comprehensively beaten in a discussion, I just don't respond...that way I still believe my own propaganda...

Lescott trains on his own because "he's a disruptive influence".

And now he is dropped from the squad for the UEFA Cup.

Pity Moyesey didn't cotton on to all this before you got hammered 6-1 at home last Saturday.

In Moyes all Liverpool Fans trust.

Who need's Lescott, when we've got Jack Rodwell?

You Manchester City Mongs.

Oh! there you are. Thought you had left us.
Still no thoughts on the finance issue i see.
Never mind, you have disappointed me though.
You seem intent on having a go at all things City. I should point out however that you should be careful what you write.
Anybody in the world can read these pages so when you make up stories about City breaking rules and telling lies you should keep that in mind.
City have Lawyers, big scary Lawyers who have made the Sun print retractions to untrue stories twice. So if they were to read some of what you write, and have no way of proving, they would have no problem in taking on you or the Daily Post.
There are also lots of City fans out there on forums who would be very hostile if they found out... some of them are not very nice people... less pleasant than you even.

Mark, Um! not sure how to put this but it looks like Lescott is about to sign. You may not understand how this is possible, what with Moyes being omninipotent and infallible but there you have it.
By the way when your beloved Boss uses the inflated Fee City paid to buy new players, i very much hope that they are only those who are out of contract or unwanted by their current clubs. It wouldn't do for Everton to bully clubs into selling now would it? Also please ensure that any signings agree to a pay cut, just to make sure none of them are money grabbing mercinaries.
It's been fun... toodles.

Mark!!! Oh, Mark.......?

Happy now your manager's shown himself up? "Not for sale at any price" becomes "They should have offered us that much earlier in the window so we had time to spend the money..."

Which way do you want it? Just be honest that Moyes was trying to screw City for as much as he could while turning the fans against a player and in the meantime screwing up the first couple of games of the season. Job done.

Hello Mark,

Me again...here's hoping you'll at least acknowledge my post with a response. Well, a lot of water has passed under bridge since my last message, and a few players have moved on. I would like your thoughts on "rough diamonds" Distin & Bilyaletdinov, and how long you think the Moyes philosophy (or polishing) will take to turn these unknown youngsters into "gems" as you previously state? I suppose that for a joint outlay of over £15 million pounds (craaaazy money eh?), they should be relatively well polished already. Please don't take the above comments too seriously - after all, it's only banter. One last thing before I go: Even in the face of your comments about my "cheap nasty fickle fake disgusting club", I'd like to wish your club - and most of its supporters - all the very best for the season. Good luck to Distin too (he left under a bit of a cloud, but he was a good player for City and should do well at Everton). I look forward to your reply, your hopes for Man City this season and any messages you'd like us City fans to pass on to our new defender (he left under a bit of a cloud, but he was a good player for Everton and should do well at City). Best Wishes, Jensen.